You guys know that I sit behind Cal Bellamy at church every week. My kids kick the back of his pew. I shake his hand every week.
Bellamy gave thousands of dollars to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama last year. I think that it is safe to say that the man voted for Obama, not McCain.
So here we have an elder of the church (he is very involved) who supports abortionists.
And on the day that Obama addressed Notre Dame... nothing is said from the pulpit about it. Not one word.
It's fucking outrageous. The church is enabling abortion by remaining silent and not calling out and challenging the sinners among us to repent.
In all fairness, I don't expect my priest to be checking parish records against opensecrets.org. But come on! It isn't like Bellamy's liberalism isn't well known.
I think that there's a lot of priests who put their liberalism ahead of their duty. They're fellow travelers with Bellamy, and Obama for that matter. They agree with Obama on most things, so why not give the man a pass on his abortion stance?
4000 abortions per day, that's why. That's a hell of a lot more needless suffering than anything liberalism could possibly alleviate.
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If someone thinks abortion is murder in the same way killing a 5 year old is murder, then I don't see how anyone can refrain from stopping that murder, violently if necessary.
If there were people openly and systematically butchering children in elementary schools, I wouldn't be able to confine my opposition to words and peaceful protest if the government allowed it and did nothing. I would have to attempt to stop the murder with force, if necessary.
Now, clearly, I don't think abortion is murder because I don't think fetuses are fully human; rather I see them as potentially human, much like sperm & eggs.
And, I think the lack of violent resistance demonstrates quite clearly that, at some level, pro-lifers understand that fetuses, zygotes, and blastocysts are less than fully human.
Doug! How ya doin. Long time no see.
It's a slippery slope. What about partial birth abortion? What about botched late term abortions where the infant lives? Clearly, there are abortions going on late enough in the term that they don't fall under the designation of "fetuses, zygotes, and blastocysts". It's not an insignificant number.
I think that there was a trend towards violence in the '80s, but the extremists saw that it was hurting the cause more than helping. So the movement has gone in a different direction, which by all statistics show that it has been moderately successful (majorities say that they're personally pro-life, and the number of abortions is down).
If every abortion was a first trimester abortion, then I could live with it (not be happy about, but I could live with it) However that isn't the case and Obamas pick for Sebelius for HHS shows the direction he wants to go in. Sebelius is soft on late term abortion, to say the least (look up Tiller the baby killer) and Obama himself was the only person to vote against a bill that would ensure that failed abortions (also known as babies) would have to be kept alive by all means possible. That bothers me and scares me a little. On top of that you have a group like Planned Parenthood that sends pregnant teens over state lines to more liberal states to avoid legal ramifications (and that happened in NW IN!) On the other side, I didn't get the protesting outside of Notre Dame and I don't think it was good for our cause (although I'm not Catholic or even very religious, so perhaps my lack of understanding with church matters played a part) Check out the peice I wrote on Porter County Politics, I put down my idea for doing away with abortions in a much quieter, democratic way.
Doug -
Heard that argument before - and frankly its insulting. Hell, it's even been used by pro-lifers to justify bombing abortion clinics.
Sure if someone stepped in to stop the murder of a 5-year-old by killing the attacker - there is no doubt that person would be considered a hero. But that same person reacts violently to a systemic issue - well then they're a radical. A radical that undermines their own cause by creating a scene that will be viewed negatively and further polarize the opposing view.
Problem with your premise? If it were systematic - popular opinion, the media, politcal might, laws and law enforcement officers would stand between you and the schools. Truth is - you would do nothing - because it would mean you would go to jail and jeopardize the well being of your own family. Worse, you would be labled a radical, undermine your own cause, and strengthen the resolve to continue butchering the 5-year-olds.
Your argument is insulting - because it demeans the opposing view. I mean really, Pro-Lifer's don't believe what they're saying because they won't act violently? What are they supposed to do Doug - kill someone?
If you are going to fight the system - you have to use the system. The abortion fight can only be won in the same way Roe v. Wade came to be - at the state level. (I think it's ironic that Roe was arrested at Notre Dame this weekend for protesting against the President.) Such a tack will take a lot more work - but that's where the fight is.
I know in former times (like nearly 900 years ago) the Catholic church felt that priests should stop marrying and align themselves totally with the church. There were good political reasons at the time. I think that if priests were encouraged to marry like the orthodox christians and jews, they would be a better example to the community.
I agree that the priest has an obligation to challenge people to repent including the board of Notre Dame for conferring honors on those who promote anti catholic policies and giving them a platform at a catholic institution for promoting those anti catholic policies. Obama clearly promoted abortion and birth control in his speech at Notre Dame. His attitude and argument that we have every right to prevent unwanted people from being born because we are not willing to be a caring community to those people demonstrates his contempt for God's authority as the author and sustainer of life.
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